Sitting on two plastic chairs, in an otherwise empty squash court at a leisure centre just over a mile south of White Hart Lane, two of Tottenham's No 8s are reminiscing about the last time the club won a trophy.
One of them was on the pitch that day in February 2008 for the League Cup final against Chelsea. The other sat in the top tier at Wembley. Jermaine Jenas took the free-kick four minutes into extra-time and Harry Winks, with his dad, celebrated as Jonathan Woodgate nodded in the winner.
Winks grew up a Spurs fan and joined the academy aged eight.