Placing where Gareth Bale stands in the pantheons of the United Kingdom's footballing greats is more complicated than for arguably any other player.
When you look at the usual criteria - trophies won, impact, longevity, legacy - few have fluctuated more wildly than the 33-year-old Welshman who announced his retirement this week.
None of his contemporaries can match his trophy haul and there is no doubt he regularly delivered a 'wow factor', never more than in Champions League finals or wearing a Wales shirt.
Yet scratch beneath the surface, and he can't compare in certain areas to other greats like Sir Bobby Charlton or Sir Kenny Dalglish.