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Brazil loses without Neymar; Argentina falls with no Messi

RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) Brazil showed Thursday it can't win against the best without Barcelona star Neymar, losing 2-0 at Chile as qualifying in South America opened for the 2018 World Cup in Russia.

It was the same story for Argentina without its Barcelona marquee player Lionel Messi, falling 2-0 at home against Ecuador.

Chile won behind second-half goals by Eduardo Vargas and Alexis Sanchez.

Neymar is sitting out the final two games of a four-match suspension he received just over three months ago in the Copa America. He will also miss next week's match against Venezuela.