An early slip of the tongue and John Barnes is on to it like a flash, prodding and jousting. He is rubbing his hands, ready for the discussion to begin.
'You said to me at first how much better is this team, didn't you?' says Barnes, leaning out of his chair and feigning mock offence. 'You did! I heard you! Don't you say you didn't! How much better is this team? You cheeky...!'
This interviewer attempts to make a much-needed clarification. The intention was to begin this 30-minute conversation with a debate about Liverpool's last title winners in 1990 and the newly-crowned champions, not deliver a personal affront.