At the first mention of Frank Lampard and John Terry, the two Chelsea stalwarts who were the heartbeat of the trophy-laden mid-2000s era at Stamford Bridge, former team-mate Ricardo Carvalho continually repeats a simple phrase: 'natural leaders.'
While Lampard has enjoyed a topsy-turvy if not progressive first season in the Blues hot seat, Terry was part of Dean Smith's backroom team as Aston Villa escaped from Premier League relegation at the eleventh hour.
For many, a step into a managerial role is inevitable for Terry and while ex-Portuguese defender Carvalho agrees it is a matter of time, he believes Terry should wait for the right moment.