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Michigan football, Michigan State listed in ESPN's top 50 programs of all time

Michigan football QB coach Ben McDaniels speaks to the media on Wednesday, Aug. 14, 2019, in Ann Arbor. Orion Sang, Detroit Free Press

It's a debate almost as old as college football has been around: which program is the best?

Not just this year, or in a particular decade, but of all time.

And in this, the 150th season of recognized college football, ESPN tried to tackle that question.

They said they tried to take into account all championships and all divisions over the century and a half of football, based off of the NCAA's list of major champs since there was a time when multiple titles were awarded in a given season.