Ibrahima Konate is doing his best to listen but he is clearly distracted. He is dealing with a series of questions but his eyes keep darting to his right, to a huge picture on a wall.
We are sitting in a suite at Liverpool's training centre. All around the facility, there are powerful quotes and images from big victories to remind those who were involved in them about what they achieved and to inspire new recruits about what is possible.
Konate, fittingly, is talking about dreams and aspirations but, every so often, his voice tails off and he stares for a second at a projection of Jurgen Klopp, with his back to the camera, hoisting the European Cup above his head on Liverpool's triumphant tour of their city in June 2019.