It's fair to say Liverpool haven't looked their usual selves so far this season.
With Manchester City looking in ominously ruthless form and the likes of Arsenal and Tottenham refreshed and revitalised, Jurgen Klopp's team are in real danger of being left behind.
Saturday's helter-skelter 3-3 draw with Brighton - the fifth time they have dropped points in seven Premier League games so far - sees them languishing down in ninth place.
There have been alarm bells in the Champions League as well.