Cars zip along Duke Street outside while in the warmth of dimly-lit Sound bar, Louis Berry and Jamie Webster talk of ‘dark places’ and unspeakable sadness.
They attack issues around mental health that can affect any one of us at any time, of personal experience and of friends who are no longer here.
And yet when speaking about Talk Tonight, the concert taking place at Liverpool’s O2 Academy this Friday, they call for solidarity and celebration; for openness and caring.
It’s the juxtaposition at the heart of the evening; it will be a night of stunning music sprinkled with the occasional tear, in memory of passionate Kopites Mick Woodburn and Neil Hughes.