James Maddison takes a moment to top up a glass of water, leaving the question about the psychological impact of relegation with Leicester City last season to hang in the air.
To this point Maddison had had a glint in his eye discussing the start of a new chapter with Tottenham and the excitement of working under Ange Postecoglou following his £45million move.
But now, holding court in this East End pub, Maddison, an emotional character by his own admission, needs a moment to gather his words to truly sum up the pain of being relegated.