Darren Bennett played for more than 10 years in the NFL. For some, that does not make him a footballer.
The 6ft 5in Australian tells the story of when he was introduced to a great Green Bay Packers linebacker, who asked him what position he played.
"I said 'punter'," says Bennett, who moved to the United States as a 29-year-old after a successful career as an Australian Rules footballer.
"Ach," replied the linebacker, a two-time Super Bowl winner. "You're not even a real football player."
"And he just walked away," laughs Bennett, who spent most of his NFL career with the San Diego Chargers in the 1990s.