It's the time of year for talk of Father Christmas but today, on a beautiful morning in Salford, thoughts of Peter Pan are more appropriate during a poignant conversation with Mick Rathbone.
Rathbone is one of those people in football who is known and respected far and wide through his nickname. There is nothing 'Baz' has not seen during a career that has spanned almost half-a-century, as a player, a manager and physiotherapist and seen him represent all manner of clubs.
We meet at the Peninsula Stadium, Salford City's home, to discuss Rathbone's recently published memoirs, The Smell of Football 2.