The first thing Nicky Butt wants to know is if anybody had been at Wembley last Sunday.
'I was there with my son,' he grins. 'It's always amazing to win a cup, I don't care what anybody says.'
Butt is 48 now but still very much a child of Manchester United, a graduate of the old Cliff training ground, and all it still represents, that stands less than a mile away from where we are talking.
'I always knew I wasn't as good as Scholesy and Giggsy and Becks,' Butt says. 'But I knew they couldn't outrun me or outfight me.