Anton Ferdinand is describing the moment he first found out he had been racially abused by the England captain.
It was October 2011 and QPR had just beaten nine-man Chelsea 1-0 in a bad-tempered West London derby in which Ferdinand and John Terry had been involved in a heated verbal exchange.
After the match, Ferdinand went to see his family in his hospitality box at Loftus Road, oblivious to the fact he was at the centre of the biggest racism storm in English football history.
‘I walked into the box with a swagger because we had just beaten Chelsea,’ recalls the 35-year-old.